You can check out the exact petition at Signon.org by clicking here
After reading through the petition I experienced a roller coaster of emotions….
First… confusion. Could someone really think that its even possible to just snap ones finger and make the student debt disappear? Surely this must be a joke.
Second…anger. I quickly realized that, no this wasn’t some sort of joke, not even a man on the street sort of joke where you get regular people so say real dumb shit by prompting them with questions or ideas, see Jay Walking and the classic bit of getting people to sign a petition to ban di-hydrogen-monoxide (ie water) as classic examples of what I am talking about. Nope, not a joke, the creator of the petition, Robert Applebaum, was 100 percent serious when he posted this online and began soliciting “signatures”.
Third…sadness. It is just freaking pathetic that this would even be signed by, wait for it, over 270,000 people as of 9/18/2011. They need 280,000 before they send it to the House, the Senate, and the Almighty O, where it will be roundly mocked, ridiculed, and laughed at. Needless to say most of the signers/supporters tend to be of the 25-35 age range and obviously never had anything close to an economic education, neither formal nor in da streets.
Fourth… desire…. to explore internationally for a new home. Over the past couple of years becoming an expat has become more and more alluring. Hell, America was once the wild west, the great unknown, the place where you could go with nothing, but earn everything with some hard work and smarts. Now, to be blunt its not. Living in America means a crushing debt will be taken out in your name, flying will be a pain in the ass (possibly literally in the near future), unelected bureaucrats can write regulations on a whim that are as powerful as laws passed by state and federal legislatures, and you own practically nothing (don’t believe me? Try not paying property taxes rent and see what happens to you and your home). The allure of living abroad is the ability to be part of country while its on the upswing, not while its in the initial stages of a Titanic like decline. So far Costa Rica is at the top of the list, but Panama is apparently not to bad either. I love America as much as the next guy but I refuse to go down with the ship, I didn’t get the country to where it is today and I certainly won’t be paying for it if I can avoid it.
Fifth…. relief. I did some research on this abomination of an idea and came across the petition on reddit and the comments are what restored some of my faith in humanity. Here are some good ones:
“I’d be all for this if I get reimbursed for mine. Since I worked my ass off all through school and paid all my bills instead of buying crap I didn’t need or signing up for credit cards.”
Real good point, I knew people who worked their asses off to get through college, including a stripper who now, through her entrepreneurial know how, is involved in a small business and is promoting her rapping (pretty good btw) online, on her own. She drives a Z-3 and has minimal and manageable loan debt. If this plan gets passed I am sure she would be pissed the fuck off.
“Time to start spending well beyond my means now so when this happens I can keep my BMW M5 and my $10 million house. Responsibility, what’s that?”
Love the sarcasm! This dude raises the obvious point that doing anything close to this would induce a massive moral hazard.
“God damn. The scary part of this thread is the apparent number of college grad that don’t understand why this is a horrible idea. I judged the burden of college loans as way outside my ability to repay so I never went. It was a tough one too as I dream I could hold a degree and am slowly working on it now and paying as I go. It’s basically the equivalent of an amazingly huge taxation on responsibility. Not to mention there are plenty of more effective ways to revitalize the economy.”
Head of nail, meet hammer. The scariest part of this whole thing is that way to many people seem to think its a good idea, and remember a lot of these folks are college grads with lots-o-book-learnin.
Click on the link above and read through the comments, most are scathing. Even the ones who express mild support acknowledge the idea is essentially impossible/dead on arrival. On an interesting note I emailed Robert and to my surprise I got a personalized response. The fact that he has time to send out personal replies to jerks like me who email snotty comments to him says something, not quite sure what….
In the end though I have decided to sign his petition. Why? Because pretty much no matter what happens, the course America is on is pretty much set. The ideas needed to actually begin solving problems in America are far to radical to ever be adopted. Even with a President Paul, I doubt much could be done at this point to actually fix things. In my estimation, the only way things will actually get fixed is that America will be essentially rebuilt once the current system collapses. At that point everything will be on the table and actual progress might be made.
As a PS I have included my email exchange with Mr. Applebaum, seems like a nice guy however misguided:
Initial email:
Interesting idea but I think it isn’t really feasible. I have thought about what you proposed for quite a while and just can’t see how you can actually do what you propose. What about the people who hold the debt? They’re not all wall street fat cats. What about the moral hazard that is induced by actions such as this? Also you say with the stroke of a pen the president can solve this problem but I think there would need to be some sort of legislative action, not simply an EO. Also, just because the debt would be forgiven doesn’t mean the same people who just had their debt erased won’t end up on the hook for the $$ anyways. The US govt, the US taxpayer, will end up paying for any debt that is forgiven. Maybe a specific bill would be the perfect thing to accompany this petition, ideas are a dime a dozen, actual action takes balls.
Applebaum’s response:
I appreciate your concerns and, believe me when I tell you that nothing you’ve pointed out is something I haven’t thought long and hard about. Please check out my website, http://www.forgivestudentloandebt.com and be sure to read the full proposal, as well as the FAQs. I wasn’t suggesting an EO – the president has to sign legislation, too – that’s what I meant with my reference to a “stroke of the president’s pen.” There is a Resolution (H. Res 365), introduced in the house by Rep. Hansen Clarke currently pending, but you’re right, actual legislation needs to be drafted as well – that’s the project I’m working on with Rep. Clarke’s office this coming week. Finally, one last thing to think about: just as in any good negotiation, if you only ever ask for “x” you’ll never even get that much and, in all likelihood, a hell of a lot less. I’m really not as naive or crazy as you might think – there’s a method to my madness. If, by proposing something so radical and dramatic, I can get the powers that be to focus on the very real and growing problems inherent in the student loan market, I’ll have accomplished what I set out to do.
Best,
Rob
My response to his response:
I totally get the idea of shooting for the stars to make sure you at least get to the moon, but I think the ideas you put forward in the petition can be misunderstood by the people you are trying to help. You will do no one any favors by rewarding bad choices, I personally knew multiple people who took out excessive student loans not just to fund their education but also to ensure the grey goose was flowing, they had a DVR, and a big ass flat panel LCD tv. The problem is your plan makes no distinction between those who took out loans responsibly and those who wasted the money in what almost amounts to fraud (and might be, I’m no lawyer after all), and in practice it would be just about impossible without some sort of students loan inquisition board…
Also, more broadly, the root of my problem with your proposal is that you are looking toward the government to solve government induced problems. Yes tuition rates have been going through the roof but the beginning of this increase started just about the time getting student loans was made easier. In America college has become a big business, I can speak from personal experience as I have worked closely with colleges and students over the past 3 years at multiple universities and colleges. They charge higher tuition because they know they’ll get it because of the ease with which students could get loans.
I will sign your petition however because I believe it will speed up the inevitable: the financial collapse of the American government. We can’t snap our fingers and make money debt disappear, someone will be left holding the bag and it will likely be everyone else in America. Adding billions more to the debt of the USA will only get us where we are headed in a faster manner. Good luck with your efforts while you work on this, I and others will be looking outside of the US for future opportunities.
Best regards,
-Beer Me Liberty







